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Post by 404whore on Sept 21, 2015 20:51:59 GMT -5
Yes & no. Yes Michigan game was horrible. Couldn't win & downplayed it.
No in the sense that aside from year 1 (& on way out) he never had >3 regular season losses. Exclude Michigan the man won. And remember this was when the pendulum was swinging the other way & Big 10 really good
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Post by relic on Sept 22, 2015 17:07:52 GMT -5
Does not look promising at all. Just hope somehow he can keep restocking the roster and maybe they will finally hire a legitimate coach next time. Or maybe he'll actually learn and adjust. We can only hope and pray. Heard Russell W. say today that both Majors and Fulmer have gone on record saying that you have to go for the TD on that 1st drive inside the 1.
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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Sept 23, 2015 1:20:42 GMT -5
Or maybe he'll actually learn and adjust. We can only hope and pray. Heard Russell W. say today that both Majors and Fulmer have gone on record saying that you have to go for the TD on that 1st drive inside the 1. I don't believe that either of those two would have definitely gone for the touchdown.
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Post by TNCOWBOY on Sept 23, 2015 15:24:41 GMT -5
We can only hope and pray. Heard Russell W. say today that both Majors and Fulmer have gone on record saying that you have to go for the TD on that 1st drive inside the 1. I don't believe that either of those two would have definitely gone for the touchdown. Majors would have kicked you can bet your ass on that. In his defense it was a different era. Fulmer goes for it if playing anybody but Florida.
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Post by perkins on Sept 23, 2015 20:52:07 GMT -5
Nope. Majors loved the dive play. He'd have run it on 3rd down and Camaro would have been soaring cross the line 5 feet high, or fumbled.
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Post by relic on Sept 24, 2015 0:04:04 GMT -5
I don't believe that either of those two would have definitely gone for the touchdown. Majors would have kicked you can bet your ass on that. In his defense it was a different era. Fulmer goes for it if playing anybody but Florida. Yeah, we're talking about different eras which is never quite fair. Blunder brings up an interesting point. Has been Coaches sitting in the LazyBoy and slinging crusty post game opinions elicited by quote hungry media peeps. Meaning that this is now and that was then, and we are now and they were then, but they may be now but they aren't now as they may have been then. So thar. Snap and Clear.
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Post by TNCOWBOY on Sept 24, 2015 9:40:20 GMT -5
Majors would have kicked you can bet your ass on that. In his defense it was a different era. Fulmer goes for it if playing anybody but Florida. Yeah, we're talking about different eras which is never quite fair. Blunder brings up an interesting point. Has been Coaches sitting in the LazyBoy and slinging crusty post game opinions elicited by quote hungry media peeps. Meaning that this is now and that was then, and we are now and they were then, but they may be now but they aren't now as they may have been then. So thar. Snap and Clear. Upvoted for "Blunder".
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Post by shimmy on Sept 25, 2015 9:02:22 GMT -5
Anyone who thinks we should fire Butch Jones at this point is a fool. The way Butch is recruiting right now is exactly what we need. Focusing on one call by the coaching staff to kick a field goal instead of going for it on 4th down is insane. Hindsight is 20/20 and at that point in the game, you take the field goal. Sure after the game is over you can look back and say, boy, I wish we had gone for the win on that play, but the reality is the field goal should have been enough to win the game.
The other reality is we have a field goal kicker that is average at best, who missed what would have been the game winning field goal. We have a 2nd string DB that had 2 critical holding penalties called that had either one of those not happened, we would have won the game. We had a pass interference call that had it not been called, we would have won the game. We had several offensive holding calls that cancelled big plays. And we had a bunch of missed tackles that cost us the game.
When it comes down to it, our guys did not make plays to finish the game out. Oklahoma did. It shows our youth and it shows where we stand in the rebuilding process, almost there but not quite yet. It takes time and it takes recruiting. Since Butch has had the best recruiting classes we've experienced since the 90s, he deserves his chance to keep building this program.
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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Sept 25, 2015 10:31:14 GMT -5
I haven't noticed anybody calling for Butch to be fired right now. I've seen a lot of skepticism that he'll be able to win though.
The 4th and a foot field goal wasn't the worst OK coaching move. The most incompetent thing coming from TN's sideline was allowing the ball to constantly be snapped in the 2nd half with 15-20 seconds on the play clock while sitting on a 14 point lead.
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Post by MRM on Sept 25, 2015 11:57:51 GMT -5
I haven't noticed anybody calling for Butch to be fired right now. I've seen a lot of skepticism that he'll be able to win though. The 4th and a foot field goal wasn't the worst OK coaching move. The most incompetent thing coming from TN's sideline was allowing the ball to constantly be snapped in the 2nd half with 15-20 seconds on the play clock while sitting on a 14 point lead. Agreed. One thing not talked about much from the OU game is the awful pass interference call late in the game. It was an awful play by the DB and some say the call shouldn't have been made because the OU receiver was out of bounds, therefore an uncatchable pass. That call and not milking the clock cost them that game more than Butch's crappy call to kick that field goal.
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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Sept 25, 2015 13:06:28 GMT -5
That pass interference in the end zone was a lot closer when looking at the replay than I thought when it happened (receiver out of bounds). But that pass nearly landed in the stands. No way that it was a catchable ball.
Funny, I had just commented how the refs were doing a pretty good job that day by allowing them to play. Then there was that PI call and the blatant illegal procedure call that they missed. I haven't looked at it, but I heard some complaints about missing another IP on one of OU's OT TDs.
I blame Butch far more than the refs for the Oklahoma loss. I just do not understand not milking the clock. In the 4th quarter there was a 45 second possession and two others that were around 1:45. The defense was gassed.
The second possession against WCU was a 4th and short around the 5 yard line and Butch again took the FG. I wasn't too bothered by it as it built up a two possession lead, but I did feel like Butch was saying eff u. I'm in charge and we're taking the points.
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