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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Jan 26, 2015 13:07:07 GMT -5
I don't see why so many internet football experts are having such a conniption fit over DeBord. It's just the OC. Butch still has the last word on philosophy. Maybe he'll get some future NFL linemen interested in signing or bring some ideas on how to convert on 3rd and short.
Seems like a lot of the internet coaching geniuses are more concerned that he's not a skinny jeans wearing, pretty, metro-sexual. I don't give a chit how much hair is on his head, whether he has a muffin top spread, or twitters with Lil Jon, Lil Wayne or Little Richard. If he's an effective football coach, that's all that matters. Rant over for now.
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Post by gramps on Jan 26, 2015 13:13:33 GMT -5
Bottom line: He hasn't coached football since 2012 and he hasn't coached college football since 2007.
He has NEVER coached in a spread offensive system, and he has NEVER coached quarterbacks.
Yep, Butch's system, but nothing about hiring DeBord - unless Butch is planning on getting rid of Mahoney and having DeBord coach the OL and hiring a QB coach - makes sense about bringing DeBord in as the OC. Nothing.
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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Jan 26, 2015 13:24:09 GMT -5
He was a QB coach one season at a small school. He was Tom Brady's OC.
What is important is how well he meshes with Butch and the other coaches. Board posters don't gave a clue how well this guy or any other candidate fits.
Keep on hating Grampthro.
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Post by gramps on Jan 26, 2015 13:27:54 GMT -5
He was a QB coach one season at a small school. He was Tom Brady's OC. What is important is how well he meshes with Butch and the other coaches. Board posters don't gave a clue how well this guy or any other candidate fits. Keep on hating Grampthro. QB coach in 1985/1986 at Fort Hayes State University. He was also the WR and OC at the same time. Small school, very few coaches, they all pull double or even triple duty. What offensive system did Michigan run when Tom Brady was the QB and during the rest of the time he was the OC at Michigan? HINT: It wasn't anything resembling the spread system that Butch runs. Again, NOTHING makes sense about bringing DeBord in as the OC in this offensive system at this time.
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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Jan 26, 2015 13:53:58 GMT -5
He has NEVER coached quarterbacks. You have validated my original post
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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Jan 26, 2015 14:02:04 GMT -5
He's been a football coach for three decades including many years in the NFL. He'll understand Butch's spread offense.
DeBord has been an o-line coach. That's what needs the most work right now anyway.
Why should Butch or any team be 100% dedicated to the spread anyway? Multiple formation offenses are allowed by the rule book. Butch has plenty of spread experience on his staff already.
The real bottom line is that Butch knows far more than "fans" do and has much more at stake if chit goes bad.
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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Jan 26, 2015 14:03:48 GMT -5
CowThroBoy to pile on with DeBord and Butch hatred in 3... 2... 1...
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Post by gramps on Jan 26, 2015 14:07:16 GMT -5
He has NEVER coached quarterbacks. You have validated my original post One year at the beginning of his career while coaching another offensive position, as well. And in 1985, I might add - 30 years ago. At Fort Hayes State University. Coaching D3 level athletes. I sit corrected. You still have given me ZERO logical and reasonable argument why DeBord makes sense. The spread is nothing like he's been involved with in any of his previous coaching stops. Why in the world do you take a chance that he'll "get it", and especially as the OC? If he were the line coach, or he were coaching tight ends it would be a completely different situation. There are experienced OCs out there, and OCs that are experienced in a spread offense. Why go with somebody who isn't either?
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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Jan 26, 2015 14:10:45 GMT -5
Decades of coaching at all levels including many years at the highest level that exists for the game of football is not a logical reason? K
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Post by gramps on Jan 26, 2015 14:19:25 GMT -5
Decades of coaching at all levels including many years at the highest level that exists for the game of football is not a logical reason? K It depends on what decades and what offensive system those years of experience were gained, Thunder. It just doesn't make sense - you run a spread offensive system, yet you are going to bring in an OC who has never had any involvement with a team that ran a spread offense? It's the OC - the guy you hire to run the whole offensive side of the football. How can you hire somebody who hasn't ever coached in that system to be over it? No, that's neither logical nor reasonable. That's Fulmeresque cronyism.
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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Jan 26, 2015 14:38:17 GMT -5
How many times are you going to repeat that you don't think he's capable of running a spread in 2015? You don't need to start using a larger font either.
DeBord was 52-11 as an OC and has an NC.
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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Jan 26, 2015 14:41:46 GMT -5
Guys that read a coach's Wikipedia page are far more qualified to determine a candidate's worth than somebody that's actually coached with the guy. Okay.
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Post by gramps on Jan 26, 2015 14:51:06 GMT -5
How many times are you going to repeat that you don't think he's capable of running a spread in 2015? You don't need to start using a larger font either. DeBord was 52-11 as an OC and has an NC. It's not about being "capable". Hell fire, there are a lot of "capable" coaches out there. It's about coming in to a process that needs somebody experienced with this system to can step in and run it. Not somebody who has to learn on the job. The spread is a totally different offensive system than the pro style offenses that DeBord has been running for 30 years. The blocking schemes are different, the reads are different, the power vs. getting athletes in space philosophy is different - nothing is the same. UT is at a point where they can't afford to back up, and bringing DeBord in is taking a real risk of going backwards. Butch can't afford a miss on this one.
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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Jan 26, 2015 15:08:08 GMT -5
I didn't realize that being a football coach was as complicated as splitting atoms.
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Post by gramps on Jan 26, 2015 15:18:21 GMT -5
OK, let me just ask you this question:
If he is so highly thought of as a football coach, then why has he been making sure the chlorine in the pool is the right level and that the steeplechase pit is full of water for track meets for the last two years instead of being on a football coaching staff somewhere?
Again - this one just doesn't make sense.
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