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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Oct 26, 2014 22:01:16 GMT -5
Same as taking the field goal... having Dobbs run and get stuffed could have destroyed his confidence for the second half. That is one thing that was managed well. Dobbs always looked to be in control, he wasn't ever running scared.
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Post by gramps on Oct 27, 2014 9:13:54 GMT -5
Come on Thunder - give it up. That decision was quite possibly one of the stupidest decision made in Neyland Stadium in the last decade, and that's saying something.
You don't put the football in the hands of guys who aren't accustomed to handling the football in that situation. That was just plain stupid.
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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Oct 27, 2014 9:41:22 GMT -5
There really wasn't enough time to run two plays if the first down wasn't made, so they ran a pretty safe play with a pretty good chance of getting the first down. Johnson was stuffed, if Dobbs or Hurd were running they would have been as well. Alabama blew the play up, so the problem wasn't the play call so much as the execution. They could have disguised it better. If they had enough confidence in the QB I would rather have seen a roll out with the option to throw it or keep it. They called one of the plays, it didn't work. Johnson has had the ball many times in games and practice. I'm not that bothered by the strategy. They got points. They gave up points on the goal line against Oklahoma.
Sorry, I'm not following the herd on the coach hate.
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Post by gramps on Oct 27, 2014 9:47:19 GMT -5
There really wasn't enough time to run two plays if the first down wasn't made, so they ran a pretty safe play with a pretty good chance of getting the first down. Johnson was stuffed, if Dobbs or Hurd were running they would have been as well. Alabama blew the play up, so the problem wasn't the play call so much as the execution. They could have disguised it better. If they had enough confidence in the QB I would rather have seen a roll out with the option to throw it or keep it. They called one of the plays, it didn't work. Johnson has had the ball many times in games and practice. I'm not that bothered by the strategy. They got points. They gave up points on the goal line against Oklahoma. Sorry, I'm not following the herd on the coach hate. Which is my point, Thunder. Bring in Johnson and everybody in the free world knows what's coming, including Alabama's DC and their entire defense. That was a no brainer. Stop Johnson, which was pretty easy to do. Why do you split your athletic QB out wide and give the ball to a linebacker who hasn't been on the field for an offensive play all year long? Exactly what is the justification there when you have an athletic QB who can actually run or throw and you can get him on the corner make a play? Running AJ up the middle of an 8 in the box defense was just a stupid play call, anyway you look at it. The got points, but they were down big points and needed a touchdown. Field goals don't get teams back in game that they are down 3 scores with less than a minute to go in the half. Even kicking a field goal they were still down three scores.
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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Oct 27, 2014 10:14:35 GMT -5
Keeping the momemtum was more important than the four points. Three scores v two is irrelevant with half of yhe game to play. 27-7 and blowing a chance to score and kicking off at the start of the second half... Alabama scores and goes up 34-7 and the game is over.
If you look at that drive, most of the yardage was on a pass interference and an incredible sideline catch by North. Dobbs didn't throw a single good ball in the drive. Dobbs ran 3 or 4 times with success, hadn't thrown an accurate pass. Alabama was bringing the house and odds are Dobbs would have screwed it up. It was third and one, so I don't find the call to be that horrible.
Coaches call plays and alignments 200 times a game. I'm not going to have a hissy fit that this one play call didn't work.
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Post by JM on Oct 27, 2014 10:20:01 GMT -5
Good Lord, yall are debating a FG decision before the half in a game we lost by 2 TDs.
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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Oct 27, 2014 10:20:49 GMT -5
End of 2nd Quarter 4th and 1 at ALA 10: Aaron Medley 27 Yd Field Goal Watch Highlight Timeout TENNESSEE, clock 00:03 3rd and 1 at ALA 10: A.J. Johnson run for no gain to the Alab 10 Timeout TENNESSEE, clock 00:49 2nd and 6 at ALA 15: Jalen Hurd run for 5 yds to the Alab 10 1st and 15 at ALA 24: Joshua Dobbs run for 9 yds to the Alab 15 1st and 10 at ALA 19: TENNESSEE Penalty, False Start (Colton Jumper) to the Alab 24 3rd and 10 at ALA 39: Joshua Dobbs pass complete to Marquez North for 20 yds to the Alab 19 for a 1ST down Watch Highlight 2nd and 10 at ALA 39: Joshua Dobbs pass incomplete to Ethan Wolf 1st and 10 at ALA 39: Jalen Hurd run for no gain to the Alab 39 2nd and 9 at TENN 46: Dobbs, Joshua pass incomplete to North, Marquez, PENALTY ALABAMA pass interference (Jones, Cyrus) 15 yards to the ALABAMA39, NO PLAY, 1ST DOWN TENNESSEE. for a 1ST down 1st and 10 at TENN 45: Jalen Hurd run for 1 yd to the Tenn 46 3rd and 2 at TENN 39: Joshua Dobbs run for 6 yds to the Tenn 45 for a 1ST down 2nd and 10 at TENN 31: Joshua Dobbs run for 8 yds to the Tenn 39 1st and 10 at TENN 31: Joshua Dobbs pass incomplete to Pig Howard
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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Oct 27, 2014 10:29:06 GMT -5
Good Lord, yall are debating a FG decision before the half in a game we lost by 2 TDs. Exactly. TN was in position to win the game even after spotting the #4 team in the country 27 points. In every game there will be play calls that don't look so great afterwards. I don't have big problems with the effort by coaches or players on Saturday.
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Post by Ned Land on Oct 27, 2014 14:58:00 GMT -5
Good Lord, yall are debating a FG decision before the half in a game we lost by 2 TDs. Exactly. TN was in position to win the game even after spotting the #4 team in the country 27 points. In every game there will be play calls that don't look so great afterwards. I don't have big problems with the effort by coaches or players on Saturday. I must have gone to get a coke at that point.
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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Oct 27, 2014 15:01:24 GMT -5
Start of the fourth quarter all that was needed was a score, a stop, a score, a stop, and a score. The offense was productive and the defense got stops on 7 of the last eight possessions.
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Post by Ned Land on Oct 27, 2014 15:09:29 GMT -5
Gee Whiz, I guess that's not asking much against Alabama....
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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Oct 27, 2014 15:19:26 GMT -5
Alabama was stopped on 7 of their last eight possessions.
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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Oct 27, 2014 15:28:23 GMT -5
TN was down 10 in the third quarter. That's in position to win the game. Unfortunately Alabama scored a touchdown on their next possession. So going into the 4th quarter the score/stop/score/stop/score was needed. They got the stops.
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Post by TNCOWBOY on Oct 27, 2014 16:19:29 GMT -5
None of which has jack shit to do with whether the math and situation dictate playing for a FG. Thunder is actually furthering the case to try to get a TD there but is to sheepstruck to know it.
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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Oct 27, 2014 16:29:29 GMT -5
Obviously those potential 4 points left on the table are worth throwing away three points, the momentum, and the psyche of the team. Obviously.
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