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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Oct 19, 2014 3:20:40 GMT -5
The defense is obviously back. Should be even better next year with the new tackles and only graduating three starters.
The obvious, glaring, no brainer problem is getting some SEC caliber tackles signed. The question is why can't they be found?
Do big time tackle recruits not like the system? The coach or coaches? I'm not nearly as concerned with the QB spot... Seems like there are upgrades coming behind center.
Dooley just totally blew this program up by skipping signing any o-line recruits about two years ago. Butch has patched the carnage from Kiffin pretty well, but this lower level mediocrity will go on for years without fixing the offensive line. How many, if any, of Butch's former offensive linemen are in the NFL? Obviously guaranteed playing time isn't bringing them in. Maybe the system is too different from most of the NFL. I like the Eagles anyway, but maybe that NFL system is most like TN's offense and if TN won't change it would be good for TN if Philadelphia continues to win running that system.
I'd hate to see the coaching staff get blown out again as that will set the program back another five years.
Maybe it's too hard to get the really huge guys in here because they're testing too much for PEDs and other places look the other way.
Maybe Worley is too vanilla, although fairly solid at executing the "system". Maybe having a dynamic play maker is what is needed most in order to kick start the "system" even if he doesn't execute it exactly as these coaches want. We need another Condredge about right now. Unfortunately the "system" also destroys healthy QBs.
I sure hope the defensive tackle commitments aren't going to be asked to switch sides (although that might be a solution).
From the coaches perspectives they might think that they are trendsetters and think they run an interesting offense. From my perspective it is butt ugly and uninteresting.
This is some messed up chit. I'm distressed.
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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Oct 19, 2014 3:41:25 GMT -5
Every loss that Butch has from now on will simply be burying him. What he is great at is recruiting (except for the O-line). Every loss he gets from now on will deleverage his recruiting. You can sell playing time early on, but if you don't eventually start winning the recruiting will fall apart.
I think Butch needs to win all of them in November and win a bowl game. You can sell 8-5. But 5-7 or even 7-6 after 5-7 looks like garbage. No, it is garbage and I don't care how messed up the schedule is.
I don't think that BaButchian even has to be that great on Saturdays if the defense can just not regress and the offense can just get to average.
And hiring GQ will just be jumping the shark. It's too late to bring him in.
Unless they plan to cancel Bristol in two years, you have to keep Butch. You can't go into that with all of the publicity that it will generate and roll out a fifth coach in 9 years.
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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Oct 19, 2014 3:47:35 GMT -5
And I know Butch bumbled the clock and game management at the end of the first half. That is minor though and great talent will overcome those short comings. Les Miles approves of this message.
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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Oct 19, 2014 3:49:44 GMT -5
Can somebody give me a ride from the Henley Street Bridge back to West Knox County? Thanks in advance.
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Post by TNCOWBOY on Oct 19, 2014 4:24:50 GMT -5
Butch isn't good enough is the answer to your posts. I mean it's clear as day to me.
Specifically, I can't for the life of me figure out why we can't land some of these big time OLine recruits. Or QB's to a lesser extent. Every other position on the field they have killed it recruiting except those two areas. Seriously baffles me.
I don't see much use in firing him either but there is NO WAY IN HELL this staff will ever compete at the top of this league let alone win it.
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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Oct 19, 2014 4:39:49 GMT -5
I think QBs will follow if the line is fixed. I just don't see how that one part can be such a train wreck. Do they try to put in smaller, quicker offensive lineman for the "system" and they simply won't work in this league.
I think that Butch can get back to Atlanta if the offense can just get back to average and the defense doesn't regress.
This reminds me of when Reggie White was here. Especially his junior year. The defense kicked ass, the receivers had world class speed, the QBs were below average, and the offense sucked. Pittsburg was still a national power, they came to Neyland, Reggie and the defense held them without a first down for the entire first half, and the offense couldn't score the ball. That game was about a week before or after Herschel road graded Bill Bates just outside of the south end zone.
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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Oct 19, 2014 4:55:49 GMT -5
I just don't see how this chit storm is ever going to get fixed. 20 years ago TN was putting offensive linemen in the NFL every year. McCray and Davis were both top 8 or so picks in the same draft. Davis is over there on the VFL payroll.
Do the former great linemen even come around? Tim Irwin does, but he kind of seems like an ass. Maybe they're all still pissed about blowing out Phat Phil and they don't give a crap. Maybe most of the "legends" are crackers and the premiere brothers can't relate. There are a lot of black VFLs around that played defense and wide out... maybe they've taken ownership and help with recruits. The all time great running backs don't seem to be around and that position is pretty thin (got a commit or two next year though). Reggie Cobb, Jamal, Chuck Webb, Johnny Jones, the Travises, Jay Graham, Aaron Hayden, Little Man, Garner... These guys don't appear to be around much or if they are they keep a low profile.
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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Oct 19, 2014 5:00:47 GMT -5
I don 't think Powell has been seen since the 1986 Sugar Bowl and his 60 yard run is maybe my favorite play that I've ever witnessed. Even more so than Hayden's TD at Notre Dame. Dammit man.
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Post by TNCOWBOY on Oct 19, 2014 6:07:36 GMT -5
I think QBs will follow if the line is fixed. I just don't see how that one part can be such a train wreck. Do they try to put in smaller, quicker offensive lineman for the "system" and they simply won't work in this league. I think that Butch can get back to Atlanta if the offense can just get back to average and the defense doesn't regress. This reminds me of when Reggie White was here. Especially his junior year. The defense kicked ass, the receivers had world class speed, the QBs were below average, and the offense sucked. Pittsburg was still a national power, they came to Neyland, Reggie and the defense held them without a first down for the entire first half, and the offense couldn't score the ball. That game was about a week before or after Herschel road graded Bill Bates just outside of the south end zone. The Walker/Bates game was in 1980. We didn't play Pitt until midseason just after Bama. That was White's Freshman year. I doubt he even played against GA as that was the opener. Seems he was starting near seasons end though. Surely the only Freshman who ever did that for Majors. (Joking. Sort of). White's Junior season was the infamous 6-5-1 team that lost to Iowa in the Peach Bowl. Cockrell was QB. We had Chuck Coleman, Johnny Jones, and Worlds Strongest Man Doug Furnas at RB. Gault and Mike Miller were the primary wideouts. I don't remember much about that OLine but that team sounds like Murderers Row offensively compared to this bunch today. Looking at Cockrell's numbers--boy he wasn't worth a damn was he. That's sad for me to see that because I thought he was practically Roger Staubach at that time.
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Post by ramblingamblin on Oct 19, 2014 6:29:35 GMT -5
I know the Oline is to blame for much of this, but I don't really see what Butch's "system" is. Seems like a clustercuss of nothing that works.
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Post by TNCOWBOY on Oct 19, 2014 6:42:40 GMT -5
I know the Oline is to blame for much of this, but I don't really see what Butch's "system" is. Seems like a clustercuss of nothing that works. Amen. Worst piece of mess I've ever seen.
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Post by gramps on Oct 19, 2014 10:12:33 GMT -5
Can somebody give me a ride from the Henley Street Bridge back to West Knox County? Thanks in advance. Just go ahead and jump in the river. You'll eventually float back to West Knox County. You're welcomed.
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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Oct 19, 2014 14:34:32 GMT -5
I think QBs will follow if the line is fixed. I just don't see how that one part can be such a train wreck. Do they try to put in smaller, quicker offensive lineman for the "system" and they simply won't work in this league. I think that Butch can get back to Atlanta if the offense can just get back to average and the defense doesn't regress. This reminds me of when Reggie White was here. Especially his junior year. The defense kicked ass, the receivers had world class speed, the QBs were below average, and the offense sucked. Pittsburg was still a national power, they came to Neyland, Reggie and the defense held them without a first down for the entire first half, and the offense couldn't score the ball. That game was about a week before or after Herschel road graded Bill Bates just outside of the south end zone. The Walker/Bates game was in 1980. We didn't play Pitt until midseason just after Bama. That was White's Freshman year. I doubt he even played against GA as that was the opener. Seems he was starting near seasons end though. Surely the only Freshman who ever did that for Majors. (Joking. Sort of). White's Junior season was the infamous 6-5-1 team that lost to Iowa in the Peach Bowl. Cockrell was QB. We had Chuck Coleman, Johnny Jones, and Worlds Strongest Man Doug Furnas at RB. Gault and Mike Miller were the primary wideouts. I don't remember much about that OLine but that team sounds like Murderers Row offensively compared to this bunch today. Looking at Cockrell's numbers--boy he wasn't worth a damn was he. That's sad for me to see that because I thought he was practically Roger Staubach at that time. Yes, I was mixing up the games. In the Herschel year it was a beat down. I was thinking of the 1983 opener. TNs defense dominated the 1983 game, didn't allow a first half first down, and lost 3-13. It was the opener of Reggie's senior year after he had a great junior year. Expectations were high and the offense stunk. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Tennessee_Volunteers_football_teamInteresting that it looks like the offense carried TN to the win over #11 Alabama in 1983. Special teams/defense must have scored too that day.
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Post by Thunder Good-Oil on Oct 19, 2014 14:38:27 GMT -5
TN beat Maryland and Boomer that year, but he was either injured early or didn't play at all. Frank Reicht I think took over that game. Then they got the payback a year later.
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Post by Krakow on Oct 19, 2014 14:58:33 GMT -5
Fire every damn body..
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